[repost from LJ]
I think I’ve rather becoming boring and can only chat to people about reading Japanese novels these days. -_- Apologies to all I’ve bored. I think I will be eventually done though ? This rate is not bad, and perhaps I will begin to read faster in Japanese. Well, maybe one day! BTW, if you want to know what the Saiunkoku novels are like, they are like the anime except with slightly more exposition. XD Well, the other difference is that the narrator sometimes shows that they are telling the story far in the future after all the events have taken place, during a period where all of this has become legend.
This novel covers the journey of the new governors to Sa Province, and around the revelation of the true identity of “Lin Senya.”
This story starts with the scene where young Ensei comes across the massacre of his family by the bandits, which is rather gruesome, with Ensei find and picking up the severed head of his mother, and later being thrown out in the wilderness with his arms and legs broken. Um, and this is when he is a little kid. Anyway, then there’s the part about Seiran’s past, which is pretty much as it is in the anime. Also it seems that the exams are full of irrelevant stuff, because Ensei knows all about governing the province, yet he nearly failed the regional exam because he wasn’t good at remembering poems. BTW, in the novel, when masquerading as Shuurei, Kourin recites a classical poem to prove her identity, which she needed to know as a condition of entering the palace as a servant of the consort.
Also, yes, if you are being sought, indeed, maybe hanging out with a well known dude with a DISTINCTIVE SCAR ON HIS FACE is… a certainty? Anyway, I think Ensei’s sense of… professional duty in some ways comes out more in the novels, because when they get put in jail, Seiran is v. v. v. not happy that Shuurei was left out alone, but Ensei explains his decision in terms of his duties as aide.
While I’m at it, randomly, I can’t recall whether this was mentioned in the anime, but in Saiunkoku wearing the colors of the seven major families is banned. (I think you can wear off-shades, but not something like pure crimson or indigo.) The seal of the Ran clan is the “Twin Dragon Lotus Spring” and the seal of the Kou clan is “Paulownia Bamboo Phoenix Kirin.” (Phoenix and a kirin?) Anyway, when Shuurei finds out the seal contains the special paint owned by the Kou clan, she flashbacks to her meeting with Kurou, in which Kurou does tell her a bit about Reishin, and also, I think it’s implied that Shouka didn’t allow people from the main house to get involved with Shuurei until now (so he didn’t want her raised as the princess of the clan, I suppose), but now his letting Kurou meet Shuurei means that he doesn’t mind her being under the protection of the main clan.
There’s a scene that was shorter in the anime where Sou Taifu talks with Ryuuki about the past. In the days where Sou Taifu was younger, the land was in a very bad state, much worse than the wars nine years before; the court was powerless, and the nobles corruptly controlled the provinces. Then the previous king stood up and declared that he would destroy everything and kill everyone in his way to constructing a new country, and with Sa Enjun, Shou Taishi, and Sou Taifu, proceeded to defeat the rebellious nobles (thus all the previous references to them being on a battlefield together). Ryuuki is shocked at his father’s violent words, because he only knew him as a wise king and distant father, rather than as this revolutionary figure. Sou Taifu also talks about the Hyou clan, who have magical powers, although not much worldly authority. They support the emperor from the shadows. In those days, Hyou Eiki fell in love with Sa Enjun, and pursued him even though he wasn’t interested and tried to avoid her. (Shoujo manga….) Eventually, though, he began to return her feelings and ran off with her and got married against the wishes of the Hyou clan, who didn’t want to give her up being of her ability to see into the future. By this time, Enjun had become head of the rebellious Sa clan, possibly by killing everyone in the main branch, although Sou doesn’t know whether this is true or not, so Enjun was able to overcome the objections of the Hyou clan. Later Ryuuki continues talking with Sou Taishi and thanks him for taking an interest in him when he was young, which makes Sou Taishi embarrassed over all the mushy stuff.
The scene where Seiran kills Meishou is bloodier. Also, it’s explained why Ryuuren can beat people up with the iron flute (he admired the strength and beauty of nature and eventually decided to take up martial arts). It’s also somewhat better explained how Sakujun began to act. When he was ordered by his grandfather to marry Shuurei, he decided to go and see her for himself, and he had Ensei and the others arrested. Then he watched Shuurei to see what she would do, and when he heard she had gone into the shop, came to see her for himself. He decided he liked Shuurei, and if he hadn’t, he would have had her killed, because that was what he intended from the beginning. It’s mentioned that Shuurei is totally shocked to hear that Lin Senya is a murderer, because she sincerely liked him (since I was spoilered, I simply disliked him from the beginning). But the Senya Shuurei knew was not a lie, any more than the murderous, sociopathic Sakujun was; both were facets of the same person. (This is pretty much consistent with the rest of the Saiunkoku characters. Many of them also have this dual nature, especially Shouka (I am actually really curious as to how Shuurei is going to react once she finds out dad is a renowned assassin), Ryuuki, and Seiran.
Anyway, as for Sakujun’s way of thinking, Shuurei is the only person he sees as special or important to him in any way, so he thinks it is unfair if he is not the only person important to her. [Eh, in the novel the relationship between Sakujun and Shuurei is even more almost some kind of parable of the kind of romantic love that is violent, fleeting, mysterious, and frequently selfish; awhile back we were having some kind of argument over whether it was proper to describe love instrumentally, and Sakujun poses that exact question: Shuurei may say that what he feels for her isn't love, but then what is it then?]
BTW, although the stories are animated, the parts where Ran Ryuuren appears in the story prior to this occur in the Gaiden short stories, so I guess if you didn’t read the Gaidens, Ran Ryuuren just suddenly pops up as a new character to deliver the seal and the jewel.
And now for Saiunkoku 5. (latter part of the Sa Province arc)
I’m linking to the LJ discussion because we discussed some interesting matters here.
9 Responses for "Saiunkoku 4"
Thank you for this summary. I really never thought that the story was that complex. I just watched the first series and have watched the first six episodes of the second series. It seems the novel offers more in terms of the depiction of the characters. Sighs. I wish animes would render that side better.
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worldserpent@livejournal reply on October 9th, 2007 10:46 pm:
I actually think the anime, as anime adaptations of novels go, is a pretty good one. It’s just that some things they must have cut because a) time, b) the novel hasn’t explained some things that are clearly going to be explained later, thus they cut out the foreshadowing, and c) narrated, not spoken, so it can’t easily be included.
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Byakko reply on October 10th, 2007 4:00 am:
Agreed. I mean, if you see how Vampire Hunter D is adapated…
Then again, I just read the translated Vampire Hunter D novels; honestly NOT as good as I hoped, and I don’t think it’s because of the translation =/
Also, most of the other plot details are shown in the manga - which itself omits/condenses several scenes in the anime - so it’s really give and take.
Oh, on the manga, how much liberties does it take? I’m pretty sure most of the side-stories were made-up by the mangaka (although they’re adorable and hilarious *SHUUEI, KOUYOU, AND RYUUKI IN DRAG!!!*), and the mangaka kinda explicitly indicates that Ryuuki is NOT sexually attracted to his brother even before realizing he was his brother…and various other little bits.
Anyway, know what would be awesome? A full-on live-action version of SM. THAT would be a grand sight XD Well, IF they get absolutely gorgeous actors, which I actually don’t think is quite possible to live up to the characters unfortunately.
Takeshi Kaneshiro would be excellent as Seiran though X333
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worldserpent@livejournal reply on October 10th, 2007 5:07 am:
I’ve never read them… I take it you don’t recommend them.
Oh, how far have they gotten in the manga? Did they animate the part about the two kids coming to Kiyou when Shuurei is working?
There are some decisions I don’t understand the animators taking, because I think they detract from the storyline, but mostly it works well. I don’t read the manga, but it seems like quite a bit of stuff is made up, or at least, happened somewhere else other than the novels.
I don’t think so either. What I would like is actually a higher quality OVA of some of the gaiden stories that were not animated (read the summary of the second Gaiden). The tone of some of the later side stories, I hear, is quite dark, so they might not fit with the tone of the anime. (It also becomes confusing if they don’t fit in the chronology of the series, like the story about Seiran’s past or Shouka’s past.)
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Byakko reply on October 10th, 2007 7:34 am:
Higher quality overall would be nice, but I’m guessing the studio spent most of its budget on hiring the excellent voice actors (most of which are veterans and hence, command quite an impressive paycheck).
Anyway, I imagine that pretty soon we’d get an OVA in some form. I personally HATE OVAs that basically is a RE-CONDENSATION of the original anime series, and/or some made-up story that the studios created to cash in on the anime.
That said, I don’t think they’d animate the Gaiden, or at least, not exactly in the same manner. Since some of the plot details were dragged in from the Gaiden stories into the anime as well, it’ll be a retread, and very very very confusing.
There’s always the possibility that an OVA series would be similar to how the Ruroni Kenshin OVAs and movies ended up, i.e. having a completely different and very much darker tone compared to both the anime and the manga, including drastic plot changes.
Anyway, I’m not sure on the manga. Scanlated, I know we’ve gotten up to Vol. 2. Vol. 3 is out, I think, but since the manga itself is still being serialized, tankoubons are being produced pretty slowly…
No kids yet, so I’m not sure if they’ll be introducing them in the same way as the anime does (which means it’s pretty far away). Right now, chronologically, they’re prolly up to the point where Shuurei’s working as a boy in the ministry, or where she’s about to take the exam.
So, you don’t read the SM manga? It’s actually quite fun, but definitely has a more typical shoujo flavor to it than the anime. I think I said it before, but besides Shuurei acting a wee bit too alarmist, with Ryuuki being more straight-forward (we’re talking about almost Sakujun levels of…slyness) and acting less goofy, it’s tons of fun. In the manga, it’s prolly his character that’s in fact, closer to his novel original.
Plus, yeah, pretty art ^^
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worldserpent@livejournal reply on October 10th, 2007 7:40 am:
They have more than enough extra story to put in an OVA, IMHO. They don’t need to make up new stuff.
Well, not all the gaidens do have details that are in the anime, because they were written later, or are so far away from the current chronology, or take place during gaps in the chronology. Also, some of them really are kind of dark…
I will probably get around to reading it sometime, because I do want to read some of the stuff made up for the manga.
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Byakko reply on October 10th, 2007 7:43 am:
Well, I’m guessing you could find it if you wanted to, but since Vampire Knights (the scanlation group for the manga) have restricted access to their scanlation downloads, do you want me to give you the alternate link to get them?
heather reply on October 23rd, 2007 10:06 pm:
please, please, please send me the link!
lijana reply on October 30th, 2007 5:10 pm:
The scanlated manga is done by Vampire Knight and 2 volumes are out so far.
I love the manga and you get a little more of the characterisations coming out. Example when Shuuei discusses the fact that Shuurei is off limits to his charms even though she is his type.
I love how the manga handles Ryuuki’s personality and the side story for vol1 has a wonderful story featuring Reishin, Houju and Yuushun just after they became Shinshi. Read it!
I don’t think it really matters if the mangaka made up the side stories, its canon anyway!
The manga art is far superior to that of the anime. I find the anime does not do justice to either Ryuuki or Seiran esp. Ryuuki he is sooooo cute in the manga.
I recommend you read the manga unless of course you do not want to re-read the story thrice!
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