Hey, it’s the Return (dramatic music) of the hideous charts! Er, looking at these charts will SPOIL you for all of the novels. So if you don’t like spoilers, don’t look at them.
Kou and Shi Clans

The double bar means marriages. Previous=previous head of clan.
Yuri is Shouka, Reishin, and Kurou’s first cousin once removed. A first cousin once removed is the child of one’s first cousin. So Yuri’s first cousin is Shouka’s father. In other words, you are someone’s cousin if you both have the same person as your grandparent. You are someone’s first cousin once removed if the same person is your grandparent, and the other person’s great-grandparent.
This means, that if we consider Kouyuu to be Yuri’s child, he would be Shuurei’s second cousin once removed (and Shouka’s second cousin). However, since we would then also be considering him Reishin’s child, then he would also be Shuurei’s first cousin (and Shouka’s nephew). This is what happens when you marry your relatives.
Ran Clan and Shiba Clan

Shiba Jin and Jyuusan-hime are second cousins. Gyokuka is Setsuna’s wife who hasn’t appeared yet in the anime. Confusingly, she and Gyokuka have similar names. In both names, Gyoku=jewel 玉. The kan in Gyokukan 環 means ring or wheel. The ka in Gyokuka (華) means splendor or flower.
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78 Responses for "Saiunkoku Family Charts"
What a gene pool.
I guess since Yuri and Reishin do not have kids together (biologically) it’s not that bad (not for the kid anyway).
But still marrying your own cousin (maybe first cousin once removed is o.k?) . Is that what they do back then to keep the family in the family?
Don’t they go out and marry other people from different clans?
Thanks for the Chart
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charmian reply on November 17, 2007 2:25 am:
Well, Shouka did.
The whole first cousins is taboo thing is an American/Western taboo. In other countries, it’s totally not shocking.
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Actually, marring ones first cousin is still a practice in many cultures today. And it was especially practiced back then by almost all cultures, it was consider better to marry your children off to a cousin because you knew who that person was, what their family was like, and yes, to keep land and title rights within your family rather than giving them to another.:)
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did emperor senka marry the concubines? I’m confused isn’t a concubine a concubine and not a wife?
bar=people who had intercourse and spawn offsprings?
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charmian reply on November 17, 2007 2:26 am:
It’s based off an ancient Chinese system… I don’t think the same distinctions for concubine and wife appeared there. Since they’re legitimate offspring, I guess I just consider it equal to a marriage.
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heather reply on November 17, 2007 1:48 pm:
My understanding for the concubines was that because they were not the Kings offical wife, they could leave the King’s Harom. And as a Concubine, you didn’t get the Offical title and prestigue of Empress. As Empresses you were allowed to sit next to the king during banquets and people would paid you respect. That is why it was so cut throat with Senka’s concubines, they all tried to get his attention hoping to become empresses.
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aliene reply on November 19, 2007 10:14 pm:
Ah yeah I think heather’s explanation is right. As this is modelled after the Chinese system…a concubine is a sgood as a wife, because a concubine is the king’s “woman” anyway, so it’s as good as a marriage.
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I think once you get into second cousins or “once removed” the genes are distanced enough to not run into biological problems, usually. But marrying first cousins right out, yeah, that’s iffy.
I know that in Heian-era Japan (1000 years ago) marrying cousins wasn’t thought as strange at all. Hell, nobles often married Uncles/Aunts too. It was only considered incest if between parent-child or siblings. I don’t even want to THINK about how muddled the Imperial lineage was at that time, especially when you consider that one clan (the Fujiwara) constantly married their daughters off to the Emperor.
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charmian reply on November 17, 2007 2:27 am:
Back in the Asuka period you could marry your half-brother or half-sister, just as long as you had different mothers, so yeah, different standards.
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aaah, the prestige, the fame, the power. They wanted to keep all those in the family way back then… and it still happens until now.
I still find Reishin’s aversion to Ryuuki hilarious knowing that he is yuri-hime’s nephew.
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Does this mean that Ryuuki and Shurei are related in some distant way? Also is the reason UU opposed a marriage between the both them due to them being so closely related or for something else? I’m still trying to crack my head on why.
does anyone know Seiran’s true age?? the anime says 21 but it doesn’t seem likely to me…..
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charmian reply on November 18, 2007 12:14 am:
They’re related by marriage, but don’t, at least according to this chart, seem to share a common ancestor. Probably, considering that the Kou clan has intermarried with the imperial clan a lot, they may be distantly related.
It’s still unclear, but personally I think Uu is against it for whatever is going on about Shuurei’s body.
He’s lying. 21 would make him too close in age to Ryuuki. In the books, two years have passed, so I think he’s now claiming to be 23. IIRC, his real age is 28, around the same age as Ensei, but I would have to check that.
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heather reply on November 18, 2007 1:03 am:
Serian is 10 years older than Shuurei, so in Season 1 of the anime he is 26 to her 16. So Chairman is correct in saying that he is now 28 since 2 years have passed.
I believe UU is apposed to the marriage because Shuurie isn’t exactly human. I believe something happened to her (and possibly Serian) when her mother died. There have been comments made about to both her and Serian at different times about how their bodies don’t seem human. I’m 100% sure that Shuurie’s mother did something by exchanging her life for Shuurie’s and only about 20% that she also might have done something to Serian as well. Seems like both can hold an abnormally high amough of liquor for one, are always extremely healthy, and have high physical endurance. But something tells me (and I’m hoping it isn’t the case) that Shuurie won’t end up with anyone because she is some kind of immortal offspring or something… or maybe it just has to do with her Hyou power???
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charmian reply on November 18, 2007 2:36 am:
Hmm, that’s interesting. I never saw any hints in the novel about Seiran being in some way abnormal. Actually, am really not sure whether Bara-hime is or is not a member of the Hyou clan.
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Anonymous reply on November 18, 2007 3:03 am:
well if barahime married a mortal (Shouka) so it’s possible for her daughter (immortal/or not) to marry a mortal too? right? (PLEASE Say there’s hope for Seiran x Shuurei) YES I said it
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charmian reply on November 18, 2007 3:06 am:
I don’t know why, but currently in the novel Shuurei doesn’t want to marry anyone. However, I think (my speculation purely) it’s because she thinks she’s going to die or is infertile.
However, I don’t think there is that much hope for Seiran/Shuurei, (my personal opinion), because of what Ensei says in volume 12 (read the summary), that Seiran shouldn’t get with Shuurei because he puts Ryuuki first etc.
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Anonymous reply on November 18, 2007 3:31 am:
;( he will just pine away watching his little bro with his woman?
but aren’t there hints in novel that Seiran loves Shuurei romantically? or am I imagining stuff @_@
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charmian reply on November 18, 2007 3:45 am:
I don’t think Seiran is pining, though. It’s not like he’s moping around hoping Shuurei will get with him.
It’s hard to really say. It’s all very ambiguous, but the feel I get is, he just wants the best for Shuurei, so if Shuurei wanted him to marry her, he would, but if she wanted to marry someone whom he approved of, he would stand aside and let that happen. So it’s more like he loves her… platonically foremost? Whether he does or doesn’t love her romantically. But I get the impression, on the other hand, that Shuurei really does love Seiran platonically.
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kaeboo reply on November 18, 2007 4:15 am:
it seems that shuurei and seiran see each other more like siblings rather than anything else. Seiran, being older seem to have really over protect her so much so that if in case some crazy idea would get into his head that it would be safer for shuurei to marry him, he would.
It seems that he shows he only allows the boys who pass his standards to go near her. Remember how he almost drowned santa because he has been overly bothersome to shuurei? But for him to really see her in a romantic way, i think not.
charmian reply on November 18, 2007 4:17 am:
Reply to Kaeboo:
I agree, their relationship seems more sibling-like than anything else.
aliene reply on November 19, 2007 10:19 pm:
Yes….I recall reading something like that. Shuurei is vaguely aware of something not being quite right with her body.
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Yes, I mean at first I thought Seiran and Shuurei were mayhap the coupling to expect from the series but as it turned out, it seems to me that their relationship is more like sibling love that anything else. Furthermore, I think that heather’s might be on to something about why UU is opposed to a marriage between Ryuuki & Shuurei.
But I think it will be a bit of let down if the both of them do NOT end up together…….that said much mystery still surrounds Bara-hime (Shuurei’s mother?). Is she of the Hyou clan or was she of the immortals??? Or was she something else.
And another struck me as odd…..why did the previous emperor order Shoka to kill bara-hime? Does Shou Taishi know(knowing that sneaky old coot…he probably does!) and why was Shuurei chosen? I think in someway all these questions are related…….and it will be interesting to see if the next volume answers these questions………
anyone know when the next volume is touted to be released?
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charmian reply on November 18, 2007 4:21 am:
Nope, no idea on when the next volume will be released… will probably be awhile, though.
Bara-hime is incredibly mysterious. I’m leaning towards her being an immortal, though, based on how Byakuya and the Yellow Immortal knew her, and how Ruka described her as a sennyo.
It is never really explained why Senka wanted her dead. I would bet that Shou Taishi knew, because after all, Kai Yu knew also, and Shou Taishi is the ex-prime minister, tends to give Shouka orders, etc. I hope these questions are answered soon, but I’m not betting on it being next volume, with the slow pace of revelation.
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kaeboo reply on November 18, 2007 4:28 am:
i have read some place else that shuurei would later realize her healing ability like that of the bara-hime. I don’t know if that was just a theory or something but it would seem likely that shuurei is actually like eigetsu where an immortal inhabits her body. They said it’s the crimson spirit that thrives in her. Dunno how true.
She believes her body is weak and that she cant have kids. Probably the reason why she doesn’t want to marry anyone, however, there’s this other blog that said she was pretty upset when ryuuki told her about his plans for the 13th princess, seeing that he still has hope, afterall.
It is still really vague, though since not all aspects of shuurei’s personality has been revealed yet.
*sigh*
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PrincessMe reply on November 18, 2007 4:59 am:
what’s sennyo? I seem to have forgotten. Yeah….the saiunkoku novels move slowly but still….I think it has to be about time they start answering some questions??
I’m just so intrigued. I would like to know Yuushun’s past very much. And I can’t wait till they introduce Yuri-hime. Seriously though, was Shuurei upset when Ryuuki told her he would marry Jyuusan-hime if she continuosly rejected over a certain period of time??? Progress???
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charmian reply on November 18, 2007 5:47 am:
Sennyo=female immortal.
Gods, I wish they would. -_- Instead every volume they seem to just creat more.
I hope they reveal Yuushun’s past next volume.
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charmian reply on November 18, 2007 5:45 am:
Whaaa? That’s just speculation. Nowhere in the books has Shuurei healed anyone. There is no evidence to support the crimson spirit dwelling in her.
I actually wouldn’t characterize her as “pretty upset.” More “shocked.” So it’s still not very certain what she’s going to do now that Ryuuki has laid down the gauntlet.
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KaeBoo reply on November 18, 2007 6:34 am:
it is a speculation, indeed, but it is a possibility. oh well, the novels haven’t said anything about that one yet, so we wait.
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I have no idea why but somehow I hope that Saiunkoku has a good ending….otherwise it will be just kind of sad. Btw, I was wondering, is it true that apart from Shuuei, there are no Ran officials serving at court???? If so, why?? Also, it has been mentioned that the Hyou clan has abandoned the imperial court (though they operate behind the scenes) for a few decades??
Also all the plots seems to be circles within circles within circle that seem to drive ever inwards and points to the Senka and Shou Taishi as its instigators. Which is rather curious….
On a scale of 1-10, what do you think are the chances of Ryuuki and Shuurei ending up together??? I give it a an even 5 at the moment.
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charmian reply on November 18, 2007 6:29 am:
Well, it will have a good ending in that the rule of Ryuuki will be famed as a golden age?
Yes, it is true. Because Setsuna decided to withdraw them. I think this is explained in the short story. And yes, for a long time, there were no Hyou serving at court, until Riou jr. came.
Hmm, Senka is dead. IMHO, though, current Shou Taishi isn’t doing much. I think the books hint that the two fraudulent schemes were masterminded by Ou Ki.
Based on the book, I give it a three, based on the fact that this is a shoujo light novel, I give it a nine… That’s why it feels to me somewhat pointless to seriously discuss it, because these decisions are made by what the readers want, so it will happen somehow, IMHO.
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PrincessMe reply on November 18, 2007 8:01 am:
Yea, I agree with you on that count. Saiunkoku is definately in line with most shojos. That’s why I’m pushing that topic to the back of mind for the time being as it seems like you pointed out, rather pointless to think about it. I’d like it to happen but….*shrugs*
Btw,what’s Jyuusan-hime and Riou Jr.(or rather the Hyou clan in general) like? I wish I could understand Japanese!! Then I could read the novels. Sorry for badgering you with so many Q’s!!
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charmian reply on November 18, 2007 8:21 am:
Do you understand Chinese? They’ve translated the novels up to about vol 11-12 into that language.
Riou Jr. has appeared in the anime, also. I have summarized the novels in this blog, so I think the best answer I can give you to those questions is to read the summaries.
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nicoli reply on November 20, 2007 9:29 pm:
Do you have the link for that?
I would love you forever if you would give it to me. Summaries are nice but actually reading it is different.
thank you
xxnicolioliolixx@yahoo.com
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kaeboo reply on November 18, 2007 9:12 am:
nothing beats what the fans want.
It is not sure whether ryuuki and shuurei would indeed end up with each other, but there was someone who pointed out that it was mentioned in the novels that the golden era was when there was li and kou in the administration and ran and shi in the military, so i would presume they did not.
However, there was also a mention about that painting of ryuuki and shuurei under the tree where they first met.
So it could also mean that the painting became popular because they may have indeed ended up together but she is not the empress.
*sigh*
There must be a movement in the story about their relationships and personalities soon, or it would get dragged on too much.
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aliene reply on November 19, 2007 10:23 pm:
Yeah, which is why I was thinking to revisit the novels again and pick out more “narrator” comments to get a better idea of things….
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I’ve read the summaries…..hmmm…I’m rereading them now. And unfortunately, no I dont understand chinese. I’m a Malaysian Indian so alas….Chinese is not my forte. Though are there English translations of the novel??
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charmian reply on November 18, 2007 8:46 am:
I don’t think anyone has translated an entire novel. People have translated things here and there, but I don’t have the links.
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yup kaeboo. totally agree with you on that. The whole Ryuuki and Shuurei needs a resolution sooner rather than later. Otherwise, like you said, it tends to become repetitive and a drag.
But a brainwave hit me just an hour or so ago. (Yea,I’m a little slow sometimes in the uptake!lol!) That even if they do marry, she would ask(or rather insist) that Ryuuki not instate her as empress. So, yup I agree with you on that possibility.
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charmian reply on November 18, 2007 8:48 pm:
That’s why I was so glad that there was some development in the situation. Although I mainly just feel sorry for Ryuuki rather than outright shipping the couple, it is getting boring to have it just be stasis.
Mmm, I don’t really see how Shuurei not being empress really resolves anything? From Ryuuki’s side, Uu said that he would accept Shuurei as one of, but not the sole wife. It’s only Ryuuki who says that he only wants to marry one wife, although I think that Shuurei wouldn’t accept polygamy for herself. And the emperor needs to have children. Also, basically an imperial concubine, even if she’s not the empress, can’t be involved in politics, so we still have that problem.
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KaeBoo reply on November 18, 2007 9:16 pm:
he has several progressions in his promise:
1) he promised shuurei that he will have her and only her. that he would wait no matter how long it would take
2) he promised himself that he will only have one wife and preferably it would be shuurei
3) he would marry because he is emperor and he needs to marry soon. preferable it would be shuurei, but jyuusan hime is a candidate.
I wonder what the next progression be.
a) he will take jyuusan hime as concubine becasue she is good for the throne and this would win the support of the ran clan while he marries shuurei because he is totally in love with her despite what the counselors tell him he must do.
b) he will take jyuusan hime as his empress so she can not be in the way regarding political matters, keep her as the one who is in charge of the harem and she will be forced to take care of shuurei when shuurei becomes his concubine
c) he passes another law to allow his empress to be able to participate in the affairs of the state, takes shuurei as his empress and refuses the rest, just like what he did to get her to take the civil service exams.
heeheehee
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heather reply on November 18, 2007 11:00 pm:
Kaeboo, but I thought he made a promise not to take an empresses who will get involved in political matters.
Out of your guess: I’m going with # B because I really can’t see Shuurrei okay with sharing her husband in such a way, especially how she was raised with a one-man/one-woman relationship. While the 13 princess would probably be okay with sharing Ryuukie on account of how she was raised (and it seemed to work well in her family).
But I like the comment you made about Ryuukie’s progression with his promises. It will be interresting to see how he developes as a man and a king.
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charmian reply on November 19, 2007 12:39 am:
I don’t think marrying the Jyuusan–hime or making her empress would win him the support of the Ran clan, though. It doesn’t seem that’s what it would take for them to return the Ran officials. Also, although in a more realistic story polygamy would resolve everything, I kind of doubt that’s going to happen in a shoujo sotry like Saiunkoku.
People have always been predicting c), and it seems like the most likely in how it would resolve everything, but it honestly sounds rather deus ex machina, and right now, Ryuuki is so weak as emperor, I don’t think he could get much through, especially as it would be strongly opposed, because they’ve already had one Kou concubine who caused a lot of trouble, during Senka’s father’s reign.
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Anonymous reply on November 19, 2007 12:56 am:
what’s with these shi man and their love for kou women
obviously purple and red is a horrible clashing mix!
Blue and RED YO!
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Sorry,
I’m a Serian/Shurrei fan and I think there is a very deep love there. I do agree, that if Shurrei wanted to marry Serian, he would be all over that. But because he truely loves her, he is allowing her to live the life she wants, no matter where it leads. As for Sibling like between them…I’ve never got that impression. They act more like a long time married couple than any thing else. I don’t often ask my bother to sleep with me at night (yes Shoka brought that up in the first volume when she went to let him know that nothing happened between her and Ryuukie), and contiued that she, during thunder storms, threw herself onto Serian and refused to let go till morning. I just about died when I read that! After all, they never bring up in the anime that she often asks Serian to sleep with her (and not just during thunder storms). (clever girl) And she refers to him as a “manservant”, becuause he was never adopted by Shoka just taken in (Interresting).
No I think one of the reasons she has never fallen in love is because she has always been in love with Serian, but because she has always grown up and lived with him (taking on the role of mother (to Shoka almost) and wife while Serian takes on the role of father (taking care of Shoka) husband, she isn’t aware of it.
But I am sad to say that the dynamics between the two are changing a bit. Serian is just figuring that Ryuukie and Shurrei will marry so he is pulling away (its sad but good) and starting to live his own life. It seems that the author is moving away from the possiblity of the two of them together though. (How sad for me)
As for the Hints on Serian’s strange body, Shoka mentioned that no one has been sick since Bar Hima, and Sa Sakujun asked Serian what kind of a body he had (to be able to consume so much alcohal and not be affected). I find it strange that Shurrie can do the exact same thing, which leads me to think that Bar Hima did something to both of them because she loved both of them.
I’m one of those subtle readers though. LOL Either way, I find all this stuff interresting. And I’m really enjoying hearing others peoples ideas for this story! Half the fun about reading it, is trying to figure out where it will go! And with this one, it is anyones guess!
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charmian reply on November 18, 2007 8:44 pm:
Wow, I totally interpreted Shuurei sleeping with Seiran as a sibling relationship, because I think this occurs in Japanese culture. I have to say that I don’t really agree that Shuurei has always been in love with Seiran. For example, I think her feelings for Ryuuki and Sakujun were different in that there was kind of a romantic attraction there.
Mmm, but that includes Shoka as well. Are you also saying you think he’s a sennin? Also, I think Seiran’s alcohol resistance was because he had accustomed himself to poisons etc as a prince.
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KaeBoo reply on November 18, 2007 8:56 pm:
maybe, maybe not. but you are right that Seiran is indeed pulling away because he saw that Ryuuki is indeed in love with Shuurei. However, there is a side story that was translated over at kaseran’s blog. you have to go there. this gives your theory a little bit more of a background. you have a good point there, actually.
Almost everyone is going for the Ryuuki-Shuurei thing when there could indeed possibly be a big twist later on that would push for that pairing. It is not impossible. There are storyline basis for that.
The author is very smart, she could really go for several ways to end the story… As far as i have seen, the possible guys shuurei would end up with that have already had a possible storyline are as follows:
1) Ryuuki
2) Seiran
3) Ryuuren
4) Kouyuu
5) Santa
6) Seiga
7) Tan-Tan
don’t forget Reishin and Youxii. hahaha
I would agree with you, it is more fun to try and predict where the story would lead to.
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heather reply on November 18, 2007 11:15 pm:
Kaeboo, Do you have the address for this blog?
I would love to read it! *big grin*
Chairman, Serian may have had a resistance to posion yes…but not alcohol. And it isn’t like he could afford to drink a lot to build up his tolerance. It just seems like he jumped right in.
Like I said just a theory. It wouldn’t surprise me if it turned out to be something like that.
As for the sleeping arrangments. Possibly for the thunderstorms. But the impression I got frpm Shoka and Shuurie was that, for her, it was a little more. After all you don’t get that embarrassed and when she said it was different (with her and Serian), Shoka was like: really? (like uh-huh, daughter of mine you don’t fool me I know Serian is you 2nd most fav person! LOL )
I’ve always had the impression for the Manga that Shuurei has a crush on Serian (at least in the begining). Like how she always flings herself on him, tells him how good looking he is, brags about him (that is one of the reasons Ryuukie was so insecure and wanted her to call him by name).
But again, I really think the dynamics have changed a great deal between the two.
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KaeBoo reply on November 18, 2007 11:35 pm:
you have been reading that blog, heather. it’s where the lily of the valley season was translated.
she has a new entry and this time, it’s from one of the drama cd’s.
you go and read it. it’s hilarious!
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heather reply on November 19, 2007 12:02 am:
OHHHH!!! LOL… THAT ONE (Serian drunk and ranting)!! I just about died! It was so cute that he wanted to cuddle with Shurrei! And how he remembers how she wanted to marry him and put him on reserve! Yeah… The bamboo sticks to Ryuukie just about killed me! I never thought he would do anything like that!
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KaeBoo reply on November 19, 2007 12:52 am:
oooohhh, yes. and how his actuation changes every time Shuurei walks into the room.
But he can not hide the fact that he had too much to drink. He offered to tuck Shuurei to bed until she falls asleep and even sing a lullaby to her. (roflmao)
Poor Ryuuki never understanding what was meant by the bamboo shoots that were sent from the Sa Province. hahahaha!
Although, it was shown in the anime that there is a rivalry between Seiran and Santa. It was also shown in the anime that Seiran threw Santa in the river. heeheehee
now, i am wondering when the next novel comes out…
i just hope they would start wrapping up the story. it is being dragged on too much.
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LJ junkie reply on November 19, 2007 1:14 am:
what’s cuter is that HE MADE up the part where shuurei asked him to marry her (when she was still a child) Which only implies that’s WHAT HE WANTS

oh yeah and when Yuushuun/Ensei asked what he thought about Ryuuki x Shuurei (He responded that his bamboo shoot does not descriminate mwuaahahah) AKA little bro doesn’t have a free pass to his Woman
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KaeBoo reply on November 19, 2007 1:23 am:
oh, yes… poor little bro. doesn’t even understand what those sticks were for. hahahaha (rofl)
whether it was indeed his imagination or not, it only shows how much he really cares for shuurei.
as it has been shown with the un-drunk seiran, he makes sure he is there where he can always protect shuurei.
for me, it could indeed become normal for one whom you have seen growing up beside you that you would be overprotective of. like if you have a younger brother or sister, it would always be more difficult for you to stay away from meddling because you fear that he or she may possibly end up in trouble.
but then again, that’s just me.
charmian reply on November 19, 2007 12:40 am:
Mmm, I just think it’s rather unlikely, because we’ve had so many hints with Shuurei, where we are basically pounded over the head with it, and nothing that way with Seiran.
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heather reply on November 18, 2007 11:18 pm:
Let me clarify my question… What is its title. I’m assuming it is in the live journal i sent you for Lily of the Valley? Do you know what it was title because I’ve probably read it. Refresher course please!
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charmian reply on November 19, 2007 12:44 am:
Mmm, I think I tend to discount everyone currently who isn’t actively trying to marry Shuurei, so that leaves only Ryuuki and Keichou (Santa). Basically, since Shuurei is not really interested in marrying anyone, then it’s not going to happen unless the other party makes a move.
Ryuuren, I don’t really think has a romantic attachment to her, as far as I see it, nor does he really want to marry her. Kouyuu doesn’t really want to marry her, and I think (my speculation) later events will increase his distance from the Kou clan. As for Tantan, I think his relationship with Shuurei really is different in that he isn’t as obsessed with her as everyone else is; he also, while he considers her a friend and is thankful to her, wants to kind of avoid being drawn up in the drama surrounding her.
Hmm, recently in volume twelve, Ensei sort of arose as a distant possibility, but again, it’s underscored that he isn’t going to try and get in Shuurei’s way, so he would also be unlikely to make any moves in that direction.
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KaeBoo reply on November 19, 2007 1:07 am:
well, yes, but some of them have formal proposals in which Shuurei is not even aware of, right? Shouka decided to keep it from her.
I must admit, though, that Seiran has been pretty passive about the marriage thing and he seems to love his brother so much that he is actually willing to give way. Therefore, I’d maintain that it is still more like siblings between them, even when there is indeed a possible attraction. Neither Shuurei nor Seiran is actively cultivating that angle, except for that bit that showed him drunk and remembering little Shuurei asking him to marry her, and he agreeing to be “reserved” for the time when she grows up.
But then again, that was made when she was a little girl. So, it would still boil down to the fact that she grew up having him around, so it would more likely be platonic and fraternal, nothing more. As I have previously said, If time should call that he would find it Shuurei safer as his wife, then I don’t think he would hesitate.
Once more, I’d end my post with a “only the author know what she wants out of the story” so… until then, all we can do is to wait.
*sigh*
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heather reply on November 19, 2007 8:56 pm:
Kaeboo…LOL I’m wondering if that part was indeed made up, or he just said it was made up becuase he was being made fun of…or realized that he let too much slip and didn’t want either one of them to bring it up to Shuurei. Because his reaction was/has been more of a brotherly reaction to suitors for his miss and more like competion. But I just loved the part about HIM asking her if he could lie beside her and tried to entice to her to letting him by offering to sing her a lullaby.
Its sad that he is pulling away from her now.
But I still think that with her, she has been in love with him all her life and that is why she has no desire to marry…she has her husband and married life in a way.
But, I know that Manga never seems to turn out the way I hope for. I still love all the side stories and enjoy learning more and more about the characters!
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Anonymous reply on November 19, 2007 1:01 am:
except the translation you mention is an ‘extra/side’ story that’s separate from the anime/novel/manga. It’s from one of the many drama cd that to me comes off as fanservice
but I do like dark aspect of drunken seiran. When one is drunk you tend to say more what’s on your mind.
I did enjoy that cd drama though . It definitely was more slanted towards Seiran being the overprotective lover ! Heck when he told Yuushuun and Ensei about how Shuurei asked him to marry her (turns out was more what he wish she had asked him ) lol so cute
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KaeBoo reply on November 19, 2007 1:16 am:
it’s fan service, alright. hehehe
but it is really sooooo cute the way he offered to sing her a lullaby until she falls asleep.
and the way he proudly claims that he is the man that shuurei loves the 2nd best after her dad.
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LJ junkie reply on November 19, 2007 2:03 am:
and it really hurt Sakujun more so than anything knowning that he didn’t even come close to being her 3rd most loved person (CRIES)
I still think Seiran would marry Shuurei if that what she wanted and he’d make her happy and be a good husband and lover
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KaeBoo reply on November 19, 2007 8:08 pm:
Hah! Sakujun was obsessed with Shuurei and he was too damn full of himself. Can’t say it served him right, because she is basically the first woman, no, first person that he admitted he cared for besides himself.
But, I don’t think he’s dead, though. In the anime, his body was nowhere to be found.
The 27th episode is another recap, bummer! They are really dragging this way too long!
I sure hope they’d be releasing the next novel soon, but I think it would be another gaiden so the story can come to a full circle, giving the fans a better view of what’s to come and how the author would end the story. (at least, that’s what i’m hoping for!)
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heather reply on November 19, 2007 8:59 pm:
Yeah, Sakujun was way to creepy. He was an easy villian to hate.
But I loved that fact that he couldn’t get Shurrei to make “the special tea” that she only makes for her special someone (Serian)!
Sakujun understood what was there between the two of them. That is why he wanted her to make him that tea so badly! And I love her for not making it for him.
KaeBoo reply on November 19, 2007 11:02 pm:
I really pity him, though. Too bad Shuurei just does not like him the way he does.
aliene reply on November 19, 2007 10:33 pm:
Hmm my 2 cents…XD
1) Ryuuki - still possible, because 13 hime mentioned that Ryuuki might be able to pull off the impossible.
2) Seiran - also still possible, but for the time being he is taking a step back. Afterall Ryuuki and Shuurei are his 2 most important people
3) Ryuuren - also still possible; I don’t see Ryuuren rejecting it, though Shuurei might not agree, I think!
4) Kouyuu - push comes to shove, I think they’ll both agree. Speaking of which, if the future generations know ryuuki’s reign as having “li and kou” in administration, the kouyuu is unlikely to take over as kou clan head! how can the head of the clan still be known by “li”? XD
5) Santa - long shot? She doesn’t think of him in that way at all…and his confessions always fail XD
6) Seiga - I can’t see why he would want to marry her atm thou…enternal rivals!
7) Tan-Tan - he’s proposed for the heck of it, but i doubt Reishin would “ok” this canidate?
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KaeBoo reply on November 19, 2007 11:00 pm:
13th princess indeed mention that ryuuki just may be able to pull off the impossible just like how he made it possible for women to take the civil service exams.
Who knows, 13th princess may actually help him in order for him to be able to marry Shuurei.
(now, wouldn’t that be lovely?)
As for Seiran, true, the 2 most important people in his life are Ryuuki and Shuurei. Only that, when it is between the two, he would always choose his brother more than he would choose Shuurei.
Regarding Ryuuren and Kouyuu, Reishin and Kurou have not discussed as to who they should have Shuurei get married to but these 2 candidates have their own fanboys in the Crimson court. meaning, Kurou is vying for Kouyuu, but Reishin is considering Ryuuren as a more likely candidate, over Ryuuki. The problem is, Shuurei is not even aware of all these. Shouka hid all the marriage proposals from her and discuss things with his brothers in a hush hush manner, telling them to learn how to trust and appreciate each other. (hah! when kurou actually sees him as a useless anniki)
If you look at it, their rivalry can actually be something akin to foreplay. hehehe. They do admire each other’s abilities despite the fact that they are up to each other’s throats most of the time. Even Shouka seem to have agreed that Shuurei has somehow seen someone to compare herself with.
As for Tan-Tan, his personality usually says “me so stupid, me don’t know where to go” but in fact, he is very smart. He could size up the situation that he is into so easily that he can even device plans to get Shuurei off the hook. He may be a wild card, but his interest is possibly there, just because he proposed.
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aliene reply on November 19, 2007 11:41 pm:
fufufu yeah, i’m not too sure but I didn’t catch where Reishin mentioned his preference for Ryuuren, but I supposed Shuurei would be less restricted as Mrs Ryuuren than Mrs Ryuuki.
Heheh but tantan’s proposal was just cos he was asked to do so though =0. Anyways tantan’s #1 is his papa :P. He’s not just smart though, but street smart …in a way
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KaeBoo reply on November 20, 2007 12:24 am:
Don’t you agree that Shuurei and Seiga’s “stage” is like foreplay? hehehehe They really come on to each other like wolves each time, but you could see them admiring one another despite of it all. (rofl! darn, i can’t believe myself pushing for this)
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LJ junkie reply on November 20, 2007 12:53 am:
argh NO! Seiga and Shuurei so far have NO chemistry atleast not the way the anime pulls it off. Maybe later on we might see some REAL sparks x_x though I still find Seiga a despicable brat!
Juusan seems pratical though and she’s willing to marry Ryuuki if he ask her because she has come to realize that while she may love another man being with that man is more painful and harmful than being married to Ryuuki who’s sweet and could make a good husband.
aliene reply on November 20, 2007 1:27 am:
I’ve not watched season 2 of the anime…from what I read in the novels it is really dislike for each other, though in all fairness they are aware of each others’ abilities…
oh, and kou kijin, too. i remember he teased reishin that he will take shuurei as his wife. in the manga, he joined the harvest festival and sent all the prizes he received after winning the pageant where he, ryuuki, kouyuu and shuuei joined. it’s a drag pageant, by the way. they all dressed up as women.
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heather reply on November 18, 2007 11:03 pm:
I just about died when I read that one! It was so funny seeing them dressed up!
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Btw, thanks for the big effort in making the charts XD
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charmian reply on November 20, 2007 11:06 pm:
You’re welcome!
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anybody know where yuushun and kou kijin came from?
For some strange reason, i like kou kijin. hehehe
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aliene reply on November 19, 2007 11:42 pm:
yuushun’s background is a mystery =0. And I think it is one that is quite impactful, from the hints they were dropping in the novel!
Dun recall much being said about the Kou family though…
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charmian reply on November 20, 2007 11:06 pm:
Yuushun is a huge mystery. His family is never discussed concretely in the books. We are just given some hints that whatever his origins are, they’re quite interesting.
As for Kou Kijin, we get some new background on his clan in the 3rd gaiden, but so far he’s the only member of his clan to show up, so it would be kind of hard to make a chart. XD
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Thanks for this family chart.
I guess its customary for nobility to marry their relatives.
Oh Gyokuka seems to have made an appearance in ep 28 ^^
Here’s something I have wondered. If Setsuna is supposed to keep his identity a secret. ie no one can tell him apart from his brothers. How does that work for his marriage to Gyokuka? How does she know who her husband is?
(I am only asking this because Shuuei had to out smart his bros. by proving he could tell them apart.)
umm Shuuei and Ryuuren are not on your chart! ^^
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charmian reply on November 25, 2007 8:59 am:
? I think I said in the summary that she can tell which one is Setsuna, but she can’t tell the other two apart.
Oh, they are. The layout I’m using just cuts off the edge of the picture. If you right click it and just say “view picture” you can see the whole thing.
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